Pacifists are supposed to be about nonviolent solutions.
But laws are rules enforced by violence!
Laws aren't a list of manners!
Laws aren't a tool of social awareness!
Laws are rule in which allows the police to use or threaten violent force to stop you from doing something!
Using plastic bags and plastic bottles are a NONVIOLENT activity!
But this so-called "pacifist" named Rebecca Brooke Corby (whose latest facebook name is "Rebecca Brooke" but also goes by "Rebecca Corby") wants laws against the use of plastic bags/bottles.
In other words, Rebecca Brooke Corby (aka PHONY pacifist) doesn't want a nonviolent solution to a nonviolent issue. She wants a violent enforcement against an item she doesn't like!
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Last month, I posted on facebook a link to an article about 3 African-American teenagers being harassed by the police for selling water bottles at the National Mall.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/teens-detained-for-selling-water-on-the-national-mall/19519/
Here was my statement
Some activists actually want to ban bottled water. This is a preview of how that would be enforced!
and this was the comments in response to that post
Rebecca Brooke activists wanting to ban single use plastics have nothing to do with this.....I've been using re-usable fabric shopping bags and a re-usable water bottle (stainless steel) for probably over a decade now. Doing those 2 things are the 2 single biggest and easiest things all of us can do to reduce single use plastics. In case you didnt' know, plastics do not biodegrade and are typically filled with nasty toxins that pollute our own water, our soil, our food, cause disease and endochri disruption, not too mention kills thousands of species of animals every year especially marine life who often eat plastic bags and bottles confusing them for jelly fish or other prey. Check out the film "Plastic Planet" to learn more of why and how much plastic really sucks and we need to ban atleast the worst offenders...the single use bags and bottles.
Pablo Wegesend activists wanting to ban single use plastics have nothing to do with this
But if they get their way, THIS is EXACTLY what's going to happen! How do you think laws get enforced? Laws aren't just a list of manners, laws are enforced by violence (or threats of violence). Laws are necessary against ACTIONS (ie roberries, assaults, etc) but they are a problem when it comes to ITEMS (ie plastic bottles, cigarettes, weed, sex toys, etc). because then you're threatening violence against people just for having things.
You say "plastic is so bad because of this and that", but that's EXACTLY the same rhetoric used by Jeff Sessions and his crew use against drugs, "oh we gotta ban this, because drugs cause that", but again, laws aren't just a list of ettiquette, it's a notice that police can threaten anyone who has a banned item.
And when laws are enforced, they're not enforced equally. AS in this case, those who are non-white or non-rich get the worst end of this enforcement. Stopped and threatened, "hey you better stop you'll be the next Rodney King or next Philando Castille", and those who resist not only get beat/shot, but they could sent to jail where they get raped by hardened criminals.
All this because people say "there ought to be a law". Well, maybe there shouldn't be a law. Maybe activists need to stop relying on laws and start using information campaigns to promote your cause instead of asking police to do your dirty work!
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Pablo Wegesend .I've been using re-usable fabric shopping bags and a re-usable water bottle (stainless steel) for probably over a decade now. Doing those 2 things are the 2 single biggest and easiest things all of us can do to reduce single use plastics.
Then do that! Nobody is stigmatizing you for that! But stop asking the government and their armed cops to enforce your preferences on the population!
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Rebecca Brooke Pablo your ignorance about plastics is showing. Watch the film plastic planet or hell, just Google what the problems are w single use plastics. I pointed out the main ones. These are all backed by facts, not propaganda. Plastic does not break down. Do you understand what that means? Also it leeches dangerous chemicals out. This is not a personal preference that doesn't affect anyone. We all share one planet. It affects all of us. If ppl want to remain ignorant and not change based on facts, thats when laws are attempted to be passed. Of course not all laws are like this. Alot of laws are made by dumb people but fact based laws made by smart people are good.
That part where she said "Pablo your ignorance about plastics is showing. "
THOSE ARE TRIGGER WORDS GUARANTEED TO TRIGGER a Heated Response from me
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Pablo Wegesend Rebecca your ignorance about how laws are enforced is showing BIG TIME!
I ALREADY KNOW THAT PLASTICS HAVE SIDE EFFECTS! BUT SO WHAT? Drugs have negative side effects that don't just affect the users, they affect everyone around the user! That is how law enforcement justify abusive tactics associated with "getting drugs off the street".
Rebecca, you want those laws because you want people to be abused for using plastic! That's what advocating for laws! Laws aren't just a list of manners! Laws aren't just a plea for awareness! Laws are a notice saying "you better stop, or they police are going to confront you and you better not resist". That is why you want a law against plastic, because you hate plastic so much that in your heart, you truly believe that those who use plastic should be confronted by police and those who resist should get a beatdown! Just be honest and admit that's how you feel
Pablo Wegesend Rebecca, I have a SEVERE HATRED of what alcohol does to people, I done the research and I personally witness the damage it causes, but I don't advocate for banning alcohol, because I know damn how those laws get enforced! I also know the existence of anti-alcohol laws didn't stop the production of alcohol! (google "Prohibition). I also know that law enforcement would use brutal tactics against those who use alcohol (or those who are assumed to be using, selling or possessing alcohol). I know about the abusive tactics used to "get alcohol off the streets".
What you have to understand is that sometimes, doing something about the problem is WORSE than doing nothing about the problem.
So don't give me this "you ignorance about plastic" crap, because my stance has NOTHING to do with the pros/cons about plastic and EVERYTHING to do with people's excessive reliance on laws to solve problems, and how laws are truly enforced as noted in the article
Pablo Wegesend Just because I don't want a certain law, THAT DOES NOT MEAN I'm not aware about a problem or an issue! Get that in your head!
Laws are supposed to be a last resort! However, those who think laws should be a first resort will accuse you of "ignorance" and "not doing research" if you dare not believe that certain things shouldn't be handled by certain laws!
Pablo Wegesend Earth-shattering shocking news: people can have a deep awareness of an issue and still prefer different solutions to a problem. Just because I don't support a certain type of law doesn't mean I lack awareness of the issue it was meant to address! It's just too many activists demand for certain laws without thinking of alternate solutions or how problematic the enforcement of such laws are! If you even dare think of alternate solutions or dare understand the problems that come with enforcing such laws, you are accused of "ignorance" and "not doing research" by fanatics who demand certain laws.
Because Rebecca Brooke Corby said in those comments "Pablo your ignorance about plastics is showing. " I felt that I needed to follow up with this facebook post ( in which I did not mention names)
OK, there's some over-generalizing here, but I'll just say it
The Right-wingers and Left-wingers both support laws that encourage abusive policing, but the Right-wingers are more honest about it! The Right-Wingers want a militarized police actions to "stop drugs", "stop illegals" and "protect the unborn" and they pretty much make excuses for abusive police enforcing such laws by saying "what did those brutalized expect? that's what they get for not complying". That sounds sickening, but at least those Right-wingers are honest about it!
Left-wingers tend to have 2 faces on this! They may denounce abusive policing, yet they want the government to ban guns, plastic bags, and plastic bottles WITHOUT REALIZING THAT THOSE LAWS GIVE PERMISSION for police to use violence to stop anyone with those banned items. I mean, if you're going to ban plastic bottles, HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT POLICE TO ENFORCE THAT? By saying "pretty please, please don't do carry again?" THAT'S NOT HOW THEY OPERATE! They operate with a command presence that threatens violence against those who resist! That's why laws are made: to threaten people who resist! THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF LAWS!
I'm so sick of activists who claim to be "pacifists" but yet want laws to ban stuff AS IF those laws would be enforced by "pleas for understanding". Bullstuff! Rush Limbaugh refer to such activists as "peace pansies", but that's not correct, those activists are actually Violence Pansies, because they want to threaten violence against anyone who want to use plastic items or carry a tool for self-defense!
Well, Rebecca Brooke Corby (aka Phony Pacifist) came uninvited to the comment thread of this facebook post.
In the interest of full disclosure, here is the entire thing, with misspellings, grammar errors and all!
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also there's a thing called fines, monetary punishments. not all punishments are violent. For example, you get caught dumping a bunch of chemicals into the water, you may get a fine, you should get a fine. I've never seen a cop beating up someone for polluting the environment...sadly they do the opposite, they beat up protestors who are tyring to protect our planet, like the standing rock protestors...know your history
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Rebecca Brooke laughs at people concerned about police over-reach, she wouldn't be laughing if she was nonwhite or nonrich!
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