Phony Pacifists want laws to threaten people doing peaceful activities

Pacifists are supposed to be about nonviolent solutions.

But laws are rules enforced by violence!

Laws aren't a list of manners!

Laws aren't a tool of social awareness!

Laws are rule in which allows the police to use or threaten violent force to stop you from doing something!

Using plastic bags and plastic bottles are a NONVIOLENT activity!

But this so-called "pacifist" named Rebecca Brooke Corby (whose latest facebook name is "Rebecca Brooke" but also goes by "Rebecca Corby") wants laws against the use of plastic bags/bottles.

In other words, Rebecca Brooke Corby (aka PHONY pacifist) doesn't want a nonviolent solution to a nonviolent issue. She wants a violent enforcement against an item she doesn't like!

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Last month, I posted on facebook a link to an article about 3 African-American teenagers being harassed by the police for selling water bottles at the National Mall.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/teens-detained-for-selling-water-on-the-national-mall/19519/


Here was my statement 

Pablo Wegesend

June 24, 2017 · 

Some activists actually want to ban bottled water. This is a preview of how that would be enforced!

and this was the comments in response to that post

• Rebecca Brooke activists wanting to ban single use plastics have nothing to do with this.....I've been using re-usable fabric shopping bags and a re-usable water bottle (stainless steel) for probably over a decade now. Doing those 2 things are the 2 single biggest and easiest things all of us can do to reduce single use plastics. In case you didnt' know, plastics do not biodegrade and are typically filled with nasty toxins that pollute our own water, our soil, our food, cause disease and endochri disruption, not too mention kills thousands of species of animals every year especially marine life who often eat plastic bags and bottles confusing them for jelly fish or other prey. Check out the film "Plastic Planet" to learn more of why and how much plastic really sucks and we need to ban atleast the worst offenders...the single use bags and bottles.
• Pablo Wegesend activists wanting to ban single use plastics have nothing to do with this
  
  But if they get their way, THIS is EXACTLY what's going to happen! How do you think laws get enforced? Laws aren't just a list of manners, laws are enforced by violence (or threats of violence). Laws are necessary against ACTIONS (ie roberries, assaults, etc) but they are a problem when it comes to ITEMS (ie plastic bottles, cigarettes, weed, sex toys, etc). because then you're threatening violence against people just for having things.
  
  You say "plastic is so bad because of this and that", but that's EXACTLY the same rhetoric used by Jeff Sessions and his crew use against drugs, "oh we gotta ban this, because drugs cause that", but again, laws aren't just a list of ettiquette, it's a notice that police can threaten anyone who has a banned item.
  
  And when laws are enforced, they're not enforced equally. AS in this case, those who are non-white or non-rich get the worst end of this enforcement. Stopped and threatened, "hey you better stop you'll be the next Rodney King or next Philando Castille", and those who resist not only get beat/shot, but they could sent to jail where they get raped by hardened criminals.
  
  All this because people say "there ought to be a law". Well, maybe there shouldn't be a law. Maybe activists need to stop relying on laws and start using information campaigns to promote your cause instead of asking police to do your dirty work!

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• Pablo Wegesend To learn more abut what laws really are
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yokkGFrXP94

  

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  Laws are Rules Enforced by Violence

  Laws are Rules Enforced by Violence

  
  
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• Pablo Wegesend .I've been using re-usable fabric shopping bags and a re-usable water bottle (stainless steel) for probably over a decade now. Doing those 2 things are the 2 single biggest and easiest things all of us can do to reduce single use plastics.
  
  Then do that! Nobody is stigmatizing you for that! But stop asking the government and their armed cops to enforce your preferences on the population!

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• Rebecca Brooke Pablo your ignorance about plastics is showing. Watch the film plastic planet or hell, just Google what the problems are w single use plastics. I pointed out the main ones. These are all backed by facts, not propaganda. Plastic does not break down. Do you understand what that means? Also it leeches dangerous chemicals out. This is not a personal preference that doesn't affect anyone. We all share one planet. It affects all of us. If ppl want to remain ignorant and not change based on facts, thats when laws are attempted to be passed. Of course not all laws are like this. Alot of laws are made by dumb people but fact based laws made by smart people are good.

That part where she said "Pablo your ignorance about plastics is showing. " 

THOSE ARE TRIGGER WORDS GUARANTEED TO TRIGGER a  Heated Response from me

• Pablo Wegesend Rebecca your ignorance about how laws are enforced is showing BIG TIME!
  
  I ALREADY KNOW THAT PLASTICS HAVE SIDE EFFECTS! BUT SO WHAT? Drugs have negative side effects that don't just affect the users, they affect everyone around the user! That is how law enforcement justify abusive tactics associated with "getting drugs off the street".
  
  Rebecca, you want those laws because you want people to be abused for using plastic! That's what advocating for laws! Laws aren't just a list of manners! Laws aren't just a plea for awareness! Laws are a notice saying "you better stop, or they police are going to confront you and you better not resist". That is why you want a law against plastic, because you hate plastic so much that in your heart, you truly believe that those who use plastic should be confronted by police and those who resist should get a beatdown! Just be honest and admit that's how you feel

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• Pablo Wegesend Rebecca, I have a SEVERE HATRED of what alcohol does to people, I done the research and I personally witness the damage it causes, but I don't advocate for banning alcohol, because I know damn how those laws get enforced! I also know the existence of anti-alcohol laws didn't stop the production of alcohol! (google "Prohibition). I also know that law enforcement would use brutal tactics against those who use alcohol (or those who are assumed to be using, selling or possessing alcohol). I know about the abusive tactics used to "get alcohol off the streets".
  
  What you have to understand is that sometimes, doing something about the problem is WORSE than doing nothing about the problem.
  
  So don't give me this "you ignorance about plastic" crap, because my stance has NOTHING to do with the pros/cons about plastic and EVERYTHING to do with people's excessive reliance on laws to solve problems, and how laws are truly enforced as noted in the article

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• Pablo Wegesend Just because I don't want a certain law, THAT DOES NOT MEAN I'm not aware about a problem or an issue! Get that in your head!
  
  Laws are supposed to be a last resort! However, those who think laws should be a first resort will accuse you of "ignorance" and "not doing research" if you dare not believe that certain things shouldn't be handled by certain laws!

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• Pablo Wegesend Earth-shattering shocking news: people can have a deep awareness of an issue and still prefer different solutions to a problem. Just because I don't support a certain type of law doesn't mean I lack awareness of the issue it was meant to address! It's just too many activists demand for certain laws without thinking of alternate solutions or how problematic the enforcement of such laws are! If you even dare think of alternate solutions or dare understand the problems that come with enforcing such laws, you are accused of "ignorance" and "not doing research" by fanatics who demand certain laws.

Because Rebecca Brooke Corby said in those comments "Pablo your ignorance about plastics is showing. "  I felt that I needed to follow up with this facebook post ( in which I did not mention names)

OK, there's some over-generalizing here, but I'll just say it

The Right-wingers and Left-wingers both support laws that encourage abusive policing, but the Right-wingers are more honest about it! The Right-Wingers want a militarized police actions to "stop drugs", "stop illegals" and "protect the unborn" and they pretty much make excuses for abusive police enforcing such laws by saying "what did those brutalized expect? that's what they get for not complying". That sounds sickening, but at least those Right-wingers are honest about it! 

Left-wingers tend to have 2 faces on this! They may denounce abusive policing, yet they want the government to ban guns, plastic bags, and plastic bottles WITHOUT REALIZING THAT THOSE LAWS GIVE PERMISSION for police to use violence to stop anyone with those banned items. I mean, if you're going to ban plastic bottles, HOW THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT POLICE TO ENFORCE THAT? By saying "pretty please, please don't do carry again?" THAT'S NOT HOW THEY OPERATE! They operate with a command presence that threatens violence against those who resist! That's why laws are made: to threaten people who resist! THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF LAWS!  

I'm so sick of activists who claim to be "pacifists" but yet want laws to ban stuff AS IF those laws would be enforced by "pleas for understanding". Bullstuff! Rush Limbaugh refer to such activists as "peace pansies", but that's not correct, those activists are actually Violence Pansies, because they want to threaten violence against anyone who want to use plastic items or carry a tool for self-defense! 

Well, Rebecca Brooke Corby (aka Phony Pacifist) came uninvited to the comment thread of this facebook post.

In the interest of full disclosure, here is the entire thing, with misspellings, grammar errors and all!

• Rebecca Brooke are you in favor of anarchy ? no laws ?

  
  

  
  
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  Rebecca Brooke plastic is threatening my/our existence, its extremely stupid to keep using throwable plastic bags and throwaway plastic water bottles. Unfort. many times laws are made because people are too dumb or lazy to change so then we have to make a law to get them to stop. You could argue that's how all laws are...like why even have a law against killing someone ?? Everyone should know that's wrong right ? but they don't, so we made it illegal to murder someone and people still do it anyways but I do know there would be a lot more murders if it were not illegal. There are different types, some will do something illegal no matter , many actually stop because they don't want to go to jail. I have heard it many times. I've even admitted myself, not that I would do something violent, but laws that are dumb, I would break sometimes if I knew I wouldn't go to jail but the risk is too much. Bottom line is, laws do deter certain behaviors and the behaviors we wish to make illegal should be rooted in logic and facts, not things like religion or sexism or racism or anything else but logic. Logically, plastic is terrible for the planet, our health and all species...
• Rebecca Brooke also there's a thing called fines, monetary punishments. not all punishments are violent. For example, you get caught dumping a bunch of chemicals into the water, you may get a fine, you should get a fine. I've never seen a cop beating up someone for polluting the environment...sadly they do the opposite, they beat up protestors who are tyring to protect our planet, like the standing rock protestors...know your history 

























Pablo Wegesend Rebecca Brooke, so if you have your way and plastic bottles are banned, then what the hell is going to happen to those who defy those laws!

I know exactly why Rebecca Brooke wants those laws, she wants to threaten those who defy those norms with violence! Rebecca Brooke wants brutal police crackdowns against those who resists, that's why she wants those laws


• · Rebecca Brooke also, they label animal rights activists as terrorists and beat them up, activists who do things like free a bunch of mink from a fur farm...the mink are destined to be electrocuted anally to make stupid fur coats that no one needs because we have alternative textiles that work just as well. These animals suffer terribly for unecessary products like that. The real terrorists are the people who take a little animal and rip its skin off, the activists are the heroes but because we live in an upside down society, the activists get called "terrorirsts" and land in jail for long sentences while the real terrorists continue to torture animals. There's an example of an illogical law. Industrial fur farming should be banned too. Its sick












Pablo Wegesend This post has nothing to do with fur industry, we're talking about plastic, which isn't an animal product!

• Pablo Wegesend What are fines? Fines are "you pay this or the police will make you pay for it, and if you still resist, the police will crack your skulls! Fines aren't donations, they're threats, they're leglized extrotions

  
  

  
  

  

  Rebecca Brooke I want violence, LOL.....haven't you been following me a long time.....too funny

  
  

  
  
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  Pablo Wegesend How are laws enforced? Explain that!

  
  

  
  
• Pablo Wegesend Rebecca Brooke hasn't answered that one sentence question! Too much reality for her to face

  
  
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  Rebecca Brooke so again, are you in favor of anarchy? no laws at all?

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  Rebecca Brooke all laws are force yes.....we force you not to murder someone, we force you not to drive drunk, we force you not to rape (sometimes) etc, etc. or should we have no laws at all you think ? there are many anarchist societies in the world today, things are much worse sadly esp. anywhere they have limited access to basic resources like food and shelter, combined with male entitlement/sexism and weapons...its chaos...on the other hand there are other lots of hippie communities that are pretty nice but even they have "laws" created in their little communities, they don't enforce them with violence but you have to be vetted carefully to be allowed in their communiities so that's how they avoid violence

  
  

  
  
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  Pablo Wegesend To equate possession of a plastic bottle to actions (like murder, rape and robbery) is so stupid! You, Rebecca Brooke are a fake peace activist! You pretend to be for peace, but you want police to enforce your personal preference

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  Pablo Wegesend If you want take plastic bottles and plastic bags off m hands, do it yourself, instead of begging the legislators to send the police to do it for you!

  
  

  
  
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  Rebecca Brooke ha ha, why do you have such a fetish with plastic bags and bottles...its really odd

  
  
  

  
  

  
  

  

  Rebecca Brooke now who sounds violent......lol

  
  
  

  
  

  
  

  

  Pablo Wegesend So because I want to be left alone you claim I want to be violent, yet you want police to do your dirty work, because you don't want to do it yourself?

  
  
  

  
  
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  Rebecca Brooke You keep dodging the question. You are not being logical. Do you think we should have any laws or complete anarchy?

  
  

  
  
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  Pablo Wegesend You keep dodging the question: how are laws enforced>

  
  

  
  

  
  

  

  Rebecca Brooke I already explained how they are enforced with several examples of logical as well as some illogical laws. I'm in favor of logical laws yes.

  
  
  

  
  

  
  

  

  Pablo Wegesend But how are they enforced? By pleas for understandings, but hey "stop or I'll beat your ass"

  
  

  
  

  

  Rebecca Brooke Cops do not beat up people that litter, sadly they beat up environmentalists and defend the big corporations that are polluting and destroying the planet. I don't know where your wild dreams are coming from that someone is going to beat down your door and rip your beloved plastic bottle from your hands..but its making me laugh

  
  
  

  
  
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• Pablo Wegesend Rebecca Brooke is in favor of police brutality against anyone who has plastic bottles and plastic bags! That's why she favors those laws!

1. Rebecca Brooke You think this is funny?
   
   http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Teens-Detained-for-Selling-Water-on-the-National-Mall-430442763.html
   

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Teens Detained for Selling Water on the National Mall

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  Rebecca Brooke I'll try one last attempt at logic and then I have to go but as I explained there are monetary punishments called fines. People get fined all the time and not beat up. and that exmple you posted before and it has nothing to do with enviro activists wanting to ban single use plastic bottles. You are not making any sense here.

  
  

  
  

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• Pablo Wegesend so what happens to people who refuse to pay fines? Hmmmm> Hmmmmm? Hmmmm?
  
  People pay fines so they don't get arrested and beaten up by police
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• Pablo Wegesend Fines are legalized extotion!

  
  

  
  
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• Pablo Wegesend Fines are not friendly donations!

  
  

  
  
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• Pablo Wegesend Rebecca Brooke thinks its funny when people have concerns about police over-reach!
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• Pablo Wegesend Rebecca Brooke laughs at people concerned about police over-reach, she wouldn't be laughing if she was nonwhite or nonrich!
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• Rebecca Brooke unfollowing you now, you have demonstrated a complete lack of logic here

  
  

  
  
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  Pablo Wegesend some people just can't admit defeat!

  
  

  
  
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• Pablo Wegesend Rebecca Brooke can't defend her logic on why we need government-sanctioned violence to stop those who use plastic bags or plastic bottles!
• Pablo Wegesend Rebecca Brooke is doing this dance now, because she tried to debate me on an issue in which I have the intellectual superiority
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb9FwlubyIQ

  
  

  
  

  

  
  

  Chicken Dance

  
  

  
  
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• Pablo Wegesend one more thing: I didn't tag Rebecca Brooke to join this debate, she came in on her own free will, and she got owned big time! I don't think I've owned someone in a facebook debate like this in a long long time!

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And that my friends, that was the whole debate

Rebecca Brooke Corby couldn't even defend why police action should be taken against plastic bags/bottles!

Rebecca Brooke Corby equates NONVIOLENT activity (ie use of plastic bags/bottles) to murder, rape, and animal abuse. Sort of like how Right-Wingers equate NONVIOLENT activity (ie smoking marijuana) to murder, rape, and animal abuse!

Rebecca Brooke Corby couldn't even admit that fines are just a way for the government to intimidate people into giving up their money. And that those who resist fines could get arrested. And we all know what happens to people who resist arrest! 

Rebecca Brooke Corby couldn't even come up with a few nonviolent solutions to what she considers the "plastic problem".

Rebecca Brooke Corby uses phrases like "lol" in a pathetic attempt to ridicule me for having concerns about police over-reach, which is the same reaction Right-Wingers have when people express concerns about police over-reach when it comes to enforcing drug laws. 

Rebecca Brooke Corby  thinks I'm being violent for even saying "If you want take plastic bottles and plastic bags off m hands, do it yourself, instead of begging the legislators to send the police to do it for you!"  What is so violent about me defending my right to do a peaceful activity like holding plastic items?

Rebecca Brooke Corby is like most activists (conservative/liberal/whatevers) in that they are too cowardly to confront people doing peaceful activities (like holding a nonviolent item) so they lobby the legislative and executive branch to allow the police to do their dirty work for them! 

Rebecca Brooke Corby  claims I have a "plastic fetish" just because I defend the right of people to do something nonviolent as (gasp............omg.......nooooooooooo!) using a nonviolent object like a plastic bag/bottle!

I mean, I don't even use items like iPhones or  roller skates, but if I defend people's legal right to use them, I guess Rebecca Brooke Corby will say I have a "iPhone fetish" or "roller skate fetish"

Rebecca Brooke Corby thinks that if you want to defend people using nonviolent items without fear of arrest, then it must be because you have a "fetish" that deserve ridicule!

Rebecca Brooke Corby  uses ridicule to soften their opponents into meekly accepting that refusal to stop a nonviolent activity could mean getting harassed by cops who use their command presence to threaten to problem to submit (or else).

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Now, I can predict some readers wonder why I "waste my time" with these facebook debates.

Actually, I've been trying to avoid getting into debates on other people's comment threads the last few months!

However, Phony Pacifist  came to came uninvited to my posts, couldn't even disprove anything I said, couldn't even answer simple questions, and ran away from the discussion like a coward! She got owned big time. I haven't owned somebody so badly in a facebook discussion like that in a long time!

I sometimes joke about people doing the Dre Day dance, but I think Rebecca Brooke (aka Phony Pacifist) is doing this dance instead!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb9FwlubyIQ

The Chicken Dance

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PS: All of these comments were on MY comment thread that was public! In other words, these weren't private messages!  So if you feel your privacy was "violated",  actually it wasn't because  you CHOSE to comment on a public post